Categories: SolarTariffs

Revealed: Ausgrid’s strategy to keep solar customers confused

Published by

In order to help out people who are considering installing rooftop solar in Sydney, I took it upon myself to find out what people need to know if they want to install a system in the Ausgrid Electricity Network area. I did it for the benefit of humanity. Well, specifically for the benefit of people in the eastern half of Sydney, but if it results in more clean solar electricity being generated, then it will benefit all humanity.

What I Wanted To Know

The first thing I did was check out the internet for information. Specifically, I was looking for answers to the following questions:
1. What is the maximum sized rooftop solar system people are allowed to install?
2. Does the maximum size vary depending upon if a household has single phase or 3 phase power?
3. Is the maximum size determined by the inverter, the total capacity of the solar panels, or both?
4. Are there any restrictions on rooftop solar besides size in the Ausgrid area?
5. When people get rooftop solar, how much will it cost to have the required import/export meter installed?

The Oddly Empty Internet

While I did find this lovely Ausgrid page with information about installing rooftop solar, somehow it managed to miss answering every single one of my questions.  What are the odds against that?  Talk about bad luck!
I  admit it seemed very odd the page didn’t even mention what sized system Ausgrid would allow people to install, but I figured that information must be on some other page. However, try as I might, I just couldn’t find the answers I sought on any of Ausgrid’s pages anywhere online.
Now maybe Ausgrid has supplied that information on the internet and I am just too dumb to find it, but if that is the case, then a great many people who are interested in getting rooftop solar won’t be able to find it either. A lot of them are pretty old and, like me, have lousy Goggle-fu.  I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve had to ask a young person to get the web engines on the intertubes to work properly for me.  Personally, I’ll be glad when this whole internet fad blows over.

Telephony To The Rescue!

But, none-the-less, I was undaunted! I screwed my courage to the sticking place, which didn’t hurt much, and decided to talk to someone on the telephone. We used to talk to people on the telephone all the time when I was younger. We’d put aside our newspapers, operate our phones with a big rotary dial, and afterwards we’d have a Bex and a nice lie down. Ah, those were the days.
So on the 3rd of May I rang Ausgrid and inquired if I could ask them some questions about getting rooftop solar installed. I was told that, no, they couldn’t help me.  Instead, I needed to talk to someone who as able to answer questions on that topic and to get one of those types of people on the other end of the line I should call between 9:00 am and 11:00 am.

Attempted Telephony Leads To Email Fail

So I  called at around 10:00 am on the 6th of May and I was told that, rather than give me the information over the phone, I would need to send them an email.
So, I sent an email and very quickly, within the hour, I received a reply which directed me to this page here which was exactly where I had started. There were a couple of other links that were also kindly provided, but they didn’t answer my questions either.
I sent off another email five days ago pointing out that my questions weren’t actually answered and I’ll sure they’ll be getting back to me any time now with the information I seek. If it takes them a little while to respond that’s perfectly understandable, as I am sure they are busy at Ausgrid distributing electricity to people and keeping all the electrons nice and shiny and crisp and not letting them get all fuzzy like they do when quantum physicists get their hands on them.

Ausgrid:  Working Hard!  Harder Than They Need To

It’s really a very big job to keep electricity distributed over such a large area. So I don’t understand why they don’t make their job easier and have specific information on their website that people need to know about installing solar power. For one thing, it would have saved me from having to ring them up, twice, and waste their time. And then there’s the answering of emails on top of that.
You’d think they’d want to avoid all that work, wouldn’t you? It’s like my old boss always used to tell me, “Work smarter, not harder!” Now personally I never liked that advice because to me it just sounded like discrimination against dumb people, but in this case, clearly giving people important basic information on their website seems the smart thing to do.

Sometimes I Think I’m Paranoid.  And So Does Everyone Else!

The way things are now people might assume that Ausgrid doesn’t want anyone to install solar and so, despite being the network operator and thus the very best and most obvious source, they refuse to provide even very basic information, such as what sized systems are permitted, in order to just make it that tiny little bit harder to get solar installed. But that’s obviously crazy talk. Who would be so petty?  I’m sure it’s just an oversight that’s probably the result of overwork.

This post was published on May 18, 2016 8:36 am

View Comments

  • Pfft, don't start me on network operators. Most readers will be pleased to know, if they don't already given how well network operators hide this little fact, that the network operators (as opposed to the retailers who send you your bill every quarter) are obligated to send you your half-hourly interval usage data (provided you've a relatively new interval meter rather than an old-school accumulation meter), and their solar panel generation data if they've a rooftop solar array. Within the Ausgrid area, send an email to dataenquiry@ausgrid.com.au and include your National Metering Identifier (NMI) number (visible on your quarterly retail invoice), the property address, the data period you're after and the account holder's name.
    For Essential Energy network customers, go to https://www.essentialenergy.com.au/f_single-nmi-request.aspx and fill in their online form.
    Endeavour Energy - google "endeavour energy Obtaining your meter data" and work through to their online form.
    Get your own usage data in Excel, get informed and size up the perfect size solar array and associated inverter for your specific household's needs - the network provider will spew but they're legally obligated to provide it and begrudgingly will if asked.
    RAH!!

  • 1. What is the maximum sized rooftop solar system people are allowed to install? How much money do you have?
    2. Does the maximum size vary depending upon if a household has single phase or 3 phase power? Yes, from my understanding (and anyone feel free to correct me here) up to 5kwH per phase if feeding in...off-grid go for your life...
    3. Is the maximum size determined by the inverter, the total capacity of the solar panels, or both? Bit of both, The inverter will restrict the maximum amount of power being generated from the solar cells. Eg, if you have 2.5kWH pumping from the Solar Cells and your inverter is 2kWH you'll get 2kWH (you'll probably also start frying the inverter...)
    4. Are there any restrictions on rooftop solar besides size in the Ausgrid area? No idea
    5. When people get rooftop solar, how much will it cost to have the required import/export meter installed? This is usually built in to your quote from your solar installer, you can ask them for an itemized quote...

  • Sheesh, I followed the links Nathan and still couldn't really find Finn's answers after going round and round on their site. What I did find was some general stuff about solar and then this little pearl or wisdom that actually proves Finn's entire point that Ausgrid continue to try and "spike potential owners drinks with the solar fear".....
    But consider this…
    Solar power systems can have a high upfront cost
    Solar power systems perform best for unshaded, north-facing roof space and may not suit all homes or sites
    To maximise your benefit, you will need to maintain your system and may need to repair or replace components

  • I'd love to hear any examples folks might have of DSPNs knocking back reasonable pv connection requests - reece[at]solarcitizens.org.au
    In any case, looks as though NSW could do with amendments to legislation that the Victorian Govt brought in earlier this year thanks to the urging of the CEC: http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/domino/Web_Notes/LDMS/PubPDocs.nsf/ee665e366dcb6cb0ca256da400837f6b/557C3DE5D884BDADCA257F15000D8C52/$FILE/581176bi1.pdf
    5A.D.1 Publication of information
    (a) A Distribution Network Service Provider must publish on its website
    the following:
    25 (1) an application form for a new connection or a connection alteration; and
    (2) a description of how an application for a new connection or a connection alteration is to be made (including a statement of the information required for the application); and
    (3) a description of the Distribution Network Service Provider's basic connection services and standard 10 connection services and the classes (or subclasses) of retail customer to which they apply. If the Distribution Network Service Provider does not provide 15 standard connection services for all or some non-registered embedded generators, a clear statement to this effect must also be included in the description; and

Share
Published by

Recent Posts

Sun tax: When it will hit, what it will cost and why solar export tariffs remain controversial

Reports that NSW solar households are about to get slugged with shock new export tariffs…

May 16, 2024

New government grants to help business ditch gas for efficient electric alternatives

New scheme offers up to $60,000 per site – or $66,000 for regional sites –…

May 16, 2024

Catch Power buys Solar Analytics to create home energy optimisation dream team

Energy monitoring software specialist Solar Analytics has been bought up by Catch Power, a leading…

May 10, 2024

Solar Insiders Podcast: How to get off gas and electrify

Peter Steele from Goodbye Gas on how his company is helping households to go all-electric.…

May 9, 2024

“Terracotta” solar: New 400W PV modules blend in with red clay rooftops

Austrian solar manufacturer unveils a new 400W glass-glass TOPCon solar panel that blends aesthetically with…

May 9, 2024

Tesla Powerwall 3 submerged in fish tank still runs fridge, stovetop and coffee machine

It might not be as pretty as the Powerwall 2, but a new video shows…

May 9, 2024